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Women, 100 years ago (Original Post) KS Toronado Apr 19 OP
Fascinating! We wouldnt want legal equality to interfere with a mans home life! Karadeniz Apr 19 #1
Some women would give up the right to vote in order to elect Trump keithbvadu2 Apr 19 #2
I used to listen to Limbaugh (keeping an ear on the enemy, so to speak). After Bill Clinton was elected a bunch of... electric_blue68 Apr 20 #24
Just update the clothing styles from 1909 up to 2024, Wednesdays Apr 19 #3
Can't agree with you more! Boomerproud Apr 19 #7
As a man, I have to say, these comics reek of male fear and impotence. Earth-shine Apr 19 #4
Indeed. calimary Apr 19 #11
Well-spotted. Many Americans to this day think rights are a zero-sum game... Hekate Apr 20 #32
❤️ littlemissmartypants Apr 19 #5
Propbably just before or just after women's suffrage finally got passed Warpy Apr 19 #6
1909 according to the internet. National Parks Service website says this: progressoid Apr 19 #8
Thanks! I knew it was earlier Warpy Apr 19 #10
Hats were still around during the '60s. brer cat Apr 20 #20
My "favorite" Miss Spinster Justice". calimary Apr 19 #12
It was a really big deal back in those days PatSeg Apr 19 #14
Wow, what a historical story. And your poor great grandmother! electric_blue68 Apr 20 #25
Poor she was NOT and it was old money Warpy Apr 20 #28
That voting day must have been amazing!.. electric_blue68 Apr 20 #29
It was for all Suffragettes Warpy Apr 20 #30
Absolutely! A long fought battle. electric_blue68 Apr 20 #31
130 years since we got written out of the constitution Warpy Apr 21 #33
Everybody Works But Mother...She's a Suffragette - An Exploration of 1909 Anti-Woman Suffrage Postcards progressoid Apr 19 #9
Those are priceless, thanks for posting! PatSeg Apr 19 #13
Reminds me of this film BumRushDaShow Apr 19 #15
The men appeared to be modern day repubnuts. KS Toronado Apr 19 #16
They haven't changed in a century BumRushDaShow Apr 20 #21
I saw that movie! Yikes! Some of those scenes were brutal! Rhiannon12866 Apr 20 #18
Yeah BumRushDaShow Apr 20 #22
K&R for those who fought for the women's vote!!! Rhiannon12866 Apr 20 #17
Interesting collection, KS. brer cat Apr 20 #19
Woah. Ty... electric_blue68 Apr 20 #23
From The he New York State Library... electric_blue68 Apr 20 #26
Seeing the dates from that post Mossfern Apr 21 #34
Woah, that's kind of scary being born then, and you realizing it. It's a shame that she didn't get the... electric_blue68 Apr 21 #35
Yes, and Mossfern Apr 21 #36
One of my great-grans NanaCat Apr 20 #27

keithbvadu2

(36,876 posts)
2. Some women would give up the right to vote in order to elect Trump
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 11:51 AM
Apr 19

Some women would give up the right to vote in order to elect Trump

http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/trailguide/la-na-trailguide-updates-trump-backers-tweet-repealthe19th-1476299001-htmlstory.html

(about halfway down the page)

Oct. 12, 2016,

Trump backers tweet #repealthe19th after polls show he'd win if only men voted

As polls show that Donald Trump would overwhelmingly win if only men were allowed to vote, the GOP nominee's supporters have spawned a new Twitter hashtag: #repealthe19th.

That’s a reference to the 19th Amendment, which gave women the right to vote.

electric_blue68

(14,927 posts)
24. I used to listen to Limbaugh (keeping an ear on the enemy, so to speak). After Bill Clinton was elected a bunch of...
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 09:56 AM
Apr 20

callers called to say 'take The Vote away from women.'.


Eff em.

Hekate

(90,773 posts)
32. Well-spotted. Many Americans to this day think rights are a zero-sum game...
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 06:36 PM
Apr 20

I don’t get it, really. If someone’s deity is different from theirs, they feel angry & threatened. If someone’s educational attainment exceeds theirs, they also feel angry and threatened and slap on the label “elitist.” Worse, they try to dumb down public schools and libraries.

My grandma got the vote — my grandpa, who respected and admired her, didn’t feel threatened, but some men to this day feel threatened by women having rights to even their own bodies.

Like I said, I don’t get it.

Warpy

(111,327 posts)
6. Propbably just before or just after women's suffrage finally got passed
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 01:01 PM
Apr 19

Their fight hadn't impressed intransigent men who were terrified they'd have to do the dishes once in a while. Their war work guilted a lot of them and frightened others who realized if women didn't step up during a war, America would lose it.

My great grandmother and her daughters cast their first votes in 1920. I wish I'd met her, she was a real firecracker. Unfortunately, one of her racehorses threw her shortly after she cast her vote and the fall killed her. Yes, she owned a stable and raised racehorses. She was no dainty flower.

progressoid

(49,996 posts)
8. 1909 according to the internet. National Parks Service website says this:
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 01:28 PM
Apr 19

Queen of the Poll

This postcard was part of a twelve-card series of full-color lithographic postcards opposing woman suffrage. This card, labeled Suffragette Series No. 9, features an illustration of well-dressed woman wearing a "District Leaderess" ribbon. She is standing next to a pole with a series of campaign signs for female candidates.

Read through the signs and find clues about how the idea of women running for office is being mocked. Here are some of the signs:

"Don't vote for Dr. McMoney for Treasurer. Vote for his wife. She has been his treasurer for 40 years."

"Before voting, see Ann Howolde, Boodle-holder of the Committee for the Emancipation of the Weaker Sex from the Other Sex."

"Boodle" is slang for bribe money. To bribe someone is to illegally pay them money to get them to do something. This sign is suggesting that women are bribing voters to vote a certain way.

The suffix -ess at the end of a word, usually to describe a job or occupation, is a way to indicate that the person doing the job is a woman. Many people now avoid using this suffix because it presumes that normally the job would be done by a man.

Warpy

(111,327 posts)
10. Thanks! I knew it was earlier
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 01:55 PM
Apr 19

After WWI, women ditched the corset and the floor sweeping fashion statements, including the enormous and elaborate hats. Dresses became scandalously short and the hat became the simple cloche design for a number of years. Once the crash happened, hemlines descended once again, but not into floor sweepers, but the wasp waisted figure aided by crushing the internal organs with a tightly laced corset never returned. Hats got silly again, but smaller until they were finally abandoned in the 1950s.

I think these things, pre WWI, were meant to poke fun at the silly little creatures who wore this extreme crap and expected to be taken seriously enough to get the vote. Men were the silly ones, not realizing women were eager to shed this stuff as soon as they got the first step toward empowerment as equal citizens.

brer cat

(24,592 posts)
20. Hats were still around during the '60s.
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 06:58 AM
Apr 20

I went to Girls State in 1963 and those elected were required to wear hats. I wore hats to church until the late 60s, although they were small and simple in design.

calimary

(81,430 posts)
12. My "favorite" Miss Spinster Justice".
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 02:13 PM
Apr 19

Are you F - - king KIDDING ME??? WTF business of yours is MY marital status? WTF does THAT have to do with ANYTHING here?

PatSeg

(47,564 posts)
14. It was a really big deal back in those days
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 02:36 PM
Apr 19

Being called a spinster was probably a bigger insult than being called a harlot.

One of my favorite quotes about being a spinster is from the movie Queen Christina with Greta Garbo. The chancellor was pushing her to get married.

Chancellor: But your Majesty, you cannot die an old maid.

Christina: I have no intention to, Chancellor. I shall die a bachelor!


Warpy

(111,327 posts)
28. Poor she was NOT and it was old money
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 02:41 PM
Apr 20

most of which went west in the Depression or I might have grown up a rich kid and a total asshole.

My mother said the proudest day of her life was casting that vote with her daughters, all Suffragettes, glaring men all around. She also went the way she'd have wanted to, quickly and from the back of one of her horses.

electric_blue68

(14,927 posts)
29. That voting day must have been amazing!..
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 06:07 PM
Apr 20

Also -
I meant "poor" as in - I'm sorry to hear that; not monetary matters. 👍

Warpy

(111,327 posts)
30. It was for all Suffragettes
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 06:20 PM
Apr 20

plus the millions of women who'd been cowed into silence but sympathized completely with them.

Warpy

(111,327 posts)
33. 130 years since we got written out of the constitution
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 03:32 PM
Apr 21

That's how long women had to fight to get into it and the fight for equality is still ongoing.

progressoid

(49,996 posts)
9. Everybody Works But Mother...She's a Suffragette - An Exploration of 1909 Anti-Woman Suffrage Postcards
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 01:35 PM
Apr 19

“The rough contests of the political world are not suited to the dignity and the delicacy of your sex.”-Daniel Webster (lawyer, congressperson, and statesperson)

“If woman enters politics, she will be sure to carry away on her some of the mud and dirt of political contact.”-Cardinal James Gibbons (Catholic archbishop and the youngest prelate at the First Vatican Council)

“Woman accepts the irrevocable decree which made her woman and not man. Something in between she cannot be.”-Dr. S. Weir Mitchell (celebrated clinician and neurologist)


These are just a few views of prominent anti-woman suffrage voices at the time when the Dunston-Weiler Lithograph Company produced a twelve-card set of color postcards opposing woman suffrage in 1909. During this “golden age of postcards”, both sides of the woman suffrage controversy were documented. We found 7 of the 12 Dunston-Weiler postcards in the Smith College Archives and were immediately struck by the vivid colors and eye-catching titles. Though there is much anti-woman suffrage iconography, we have focused our project on the Dunston-Weiler collection to keep our work on the subject uniform. The majority of research done on these postcards is by Catherine H. Palczewski. Her article “The Male Madonna and the Feminine Uncle Sam: Visual Argument, Icons, and Ideographs in 1909 Anti-Woman Suffrage Postcards” was most helpful to us while we worked on this project. Learn more about our project here. View the postcard analyses here.

This project was put together by Kelsey Christenson, Rebecca Firkser, and Ashley Temple. We are not associated with Palczewski or her paper. We do not own any images featured on this site. All images are property of: Palczewski, Catherine H. Postcard Archive. University of Northern Iowa. Cedar Falls, IA.

https://antisuffragepostcards.wordpress.com/2013/11/20/34/

electric_blue68

(14,927 posts)
23. Woah. Ty...
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 09:50 AM
Apr 20

A few decades back ?80's The Smithsonian Museum of American History had an exhibit of the Suffragettes. I was in DC for a fun visit (vs a rally, or march which I also did), and saw that amongst the other museums.

electric_blue68

(14,927 posts)
26. From The he New York State Library...
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 10:14 AM
Apr 20

snip:

"New York Suffrage
In 1917, after a massive campaign by the suffragists, New York voters passed an amendment to the New York State Constitution granting women full suffrage. New York was the first eastern state to do so and was a major victory for the suffrage movement. While other states would pass similar measures, New York remained the only state on the East Coast to grant women full suffrage until the passage of the 19th Amendment.".


So I checked the math... and, yes, there was (I was there) a NYC March in Oct '92 for Clinton/Gore celebrating the 75th Anniversary of NYS Women's right to vote in 1917.

Mossfern

(2,545 posts)
34. Seeing the dates from that post
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 04:51 PM
Apr 21

just made me realize that my mother who was born in 1912 was alive when women had no rights. This helps me to understand her better. She wanted to attend college and become a professional, but instead she needed to go to work to help support her parents and younger sisters.

She was a brilliant women who helped my father grow his business and had leadership positions for many charities. I came across some of her speeches and was astounded by how articulate and meaningful they were.

electric_blue68

(14,927 posts)
35. Woah, that's kind of scary being born then, and you realizing it. It's a shame that she didn't get the...
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 06:37 PM
Apr 21

opportunity for college, and a profesion.

If I read you correctly; you could say she was professional bc she had leadership positions in various charities, and gave excellent speeches.

Mossfern

(2,545 posts)
36. Yes, and
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 06:48 PM
Apr 21

she was the driving force behind my father's successes. The local paper (Long Island Press) printed an article about her, and .... guess what? They asked her for her meatloaf recipe and had a photo of her taking it out of the oven!

Oh, the irony. (hope I used "irony" correctly)

NanaCat

(1,221 posts)
27. One of my great-grans
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 10:34 AM
Apr 20

Was a suffragette arrested on numerous occasions: Chaining herself to the fence outside Buckingham palace, forcing her way into parliament to try to force them to address the right to vote, and so on. Did the hunger strike at Holloway prison and got the force-feeding.

Explains a great deal about the women in our family, that's for sure.

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