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Michael Moore will do and say whatever is necessary to kneecap Biden's campaign and empower Trump, GOP, and Russia.
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obamanut2012
(26,205 posts)RussBLib
(9,066 posts)SocialDemocrat61
(725 posts)with him having a policy difference with the President. What I have a problem with is him declaring that 'Biden can end the war with one phone call', which is total BS.
Dave says
(4,645 posts)So, yes, BS.
ProfessorPlum
(11,285 posts)and furthermore what he is saying is self-evident. Biden IS hurting his reelection campaign by giving the Israeli government a blank check to slaughter innocent civilians. I also wish Biden would stop the slaughter AND at the same time improve his reelection chances by using American power and influence.
Moore wants Biden to win, and to also do the correct thing with respect to this genocide. So do I.
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In Too Deep
(60 posts)Really? You really think Biden has openly embraced carpet bombing babies?
What a horrific thing to accuse Biden of - like wow.
orangecrush
(19,691 posts)shrike3
(3,933 posts)So, no, Biden cannot singlehandedly stop the slaughter.
lame54
(35,394 posts)shrike3
(3,933 posts)So much for Biden stopping it all with one phone call.
lame54
(35,394 posts)shrike3
(3,933 posts)I also don't know if the average American is paying attention to the war. Or the average young person.
In Too Deep
(60 posts)And Biden has successfully used it these last few months. Take away any incentive Israel has to work with us, and we lose any chance to influence their positions and beyond threatening war with Israel, there's nothing stopping Israel from doing whatever they want to Gaza.
lame54
(35,394 posts)What have the last 75 years been about?
In Too Deep
(60 posts)It's a simple proposition: you either care what's happening in Gaza or you don't. You can't claim to care one tiny fraction for the people of Gaza and advocate for the US completely removing themselves from influence in the region.
It seems there are people that are okay with the attacks just as long as it's not US dollars going to fund it. If that's what you think, fine, I can get on board with that thought process - but don't get mad at a guy like Biden trying to use influence in the region to get a ceasefire done and to bring the hostages home.
lame54
(35,394 posts)Biden CAN'T skip a check and still remain at the table
In Too Deep
(60 posts)What do you think Obama did with the Iran Nuclear Deal? Do you think Iran just agreed to it out of the goodness of their heart?
Cha
(298,268 posts)Responsible and Democracy loving People won't fall for his shit.
I Call Bullshit on MM..
Pres Biden Does NOT "embrace" this shit..
He's Depressing the VOTE
Cuthbert Allgood
(5,013 posts)He doesn't say he does. Among other things, he's talking about the latest bill he had to sign that gave billions to Israel in the middle of them doing horrible things to innocent people.
Actual words people use are important.
HUAJIAO
(2,415 posts)brush
(53,998 posts)and destruction of our democracy. It's the last thing we need.
Biden and Blinken are trying everything they can to get both Netanyahu and Hamas to agreed to a cease fire and hostage/prisoner exchanges.
Moore is out of is mind to say Biden can stop the war with one phone call.
Time to get behind Biden to stop the approaching fascism.
Stinky The Clown
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Oopsie Daisy
(2,848 posts)Johonny
(21,001 posts)Given Biden who is at least one hundred times the politician has been unable to obtain it? You can pull bullshit from a hat.
betsuni
(25,872 posts)Moore doesn't know who the Democratic base is (and doesn't understand politics) and imagines they're always upset with Democrats because Democrats misunderstand everything (don't know what's going on, out of touch, fundraisers fundraisers money corrupt) and must be scolded and told what to do and it's always their fault for big imaginary sins if they lose elections by one point or something.
Then a month before the election he'll tell everyone to vote for Biden.
TheRealNorth
(9,505 posts)Cha
(298,268 posts)Democratic Base is.
Cuthbert Allgood
(5,013 posts)He grew up with and is still part of the midwest base.
Cha
(298,268 posts)The Democratic Base is WOC and POC.. Thank Goodness for them!
They Actually Help Dems All the time.. they don't sit home to "teach lessons.".
Cuthbert Allgood
(5,013 posts)He wasn't trying to in 2016, either.
He saw a problem in 2016 that people were just ignoring, and he tried to warn us. Most people ignored him.
He's doing the same thing this year.
Demsrule86
(68,924 posts)In an exclusive interview with Ari Melber, Michael Moore slams VP Joe Biden, calling him this years Hilary. Moore argued Biden is not going to excite the base to get out there and vote on November 3rd, adding the majority of people voting in the election are either women, people of color or young people. Aired on 10/02/1
DemocratInPa
(385 posts)Every time someone has an issue with something a Democrat does, yes even Biden, you are against Democrats or trying to get Republicans the WH... GTFO
I think Biden continuing to give Israel billions to commit Genocide sucks. Does that mean I am trying to get Republicans reelected?
TheRealNorth
(9,505 posts)Cha
(298,268 posts)You Dont Know Anything about me . like Moore doesnt know anything about the real Dem base.. WOC & POC.
lol at calling me a dude
shrike3
(3,933 posts)Save for the small slice of young people who make up the progressive community, no one talks about the Israel-Hamas war. They do talk grocery prices, gas prices, high rents and the high cost of buying a home. The Biden administration has done a lot for average people. but not enough know about it. If I were them, I'd talk about those good things and the good things they'd do if given a second term.
MistakenLamb
(546 posts)Not the Gaza war. Americans are more concerned about fueling their cars, feeding their families and affording their homes than the war. Even amonng the yutes things like reproductive freedom takes precedent over the war. Michael Moore still thinks that people who look like him are the base of the party.
Demsrule86
(68,924 posts)Demsrule86
(68,924 posts)He didn't read the tea leaves his bullshit caused it during both Kerry's and Gore's primary and also during Hillary's as well. Fuck him.
Cha
(298,268 posts)Romney which I posted the link on this thread.
TY!
Demsrule86
(68,924 posts)Sneederbunk
(14,319 posts)shrike3
(3,933 posts)Sometimes he's right, sometimes he's wrong.
Cha
(298,268 posts)Mitt Romney is going to raise more money than Barack Obama. That should guarantee his victory," Moore told host Josh Zepps. "I think people should start to practice the words 'President Romney.' To assume that the other side are just a bunch of ignoramuses who are supported by people who believe that Adam and Eve rode on dinosaurs 6,000 years ago is to completely misjudge the opposition."
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/michael-moore-mitt-romney_n_1843824
And what did Moore do to help Hillary in 2016?
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=18913859
betsuni
(25,872 posts)Also said only way Democrats could win in 2020 would be by running a "beloved celebrity" like Oprah or Tom Hanks and not a politician.
He was wrong about why Midwestern whites voted for Trump, believed the myth of economic anxiety and blamed Democrats. His documentary "Roger & Me" was released in 1989. Manufacturing jobs began disappearing in the '70s and by the '80s was terrible. But Moore and his types blame Bill Clinton and NAFTA and that every trade deal is bad (TPP was a diabolical Obama plot to screw American workers). He knows it isn't true.
Also these types keep saying, Gee whiz, why can't America have universal health care. Medicare for All as a purity test is destructive.
President Obama:
"... the need to replace private insurance and for-profit health care with a single-payer system like Canada's was an article of faith. Had we been starting from scratch I would have agreed with them; the evidence from other countries showed that a single, national system -- basically Medicare for All -- was a cost-effective way to deliver quality healthcare. But neither Massachusetts nor the United States was starting from scratch. Teddy [Kennedy, who spent his career fighting for universal health care as a human right], who despite his reputation as a wide-eyed liberal was ever practical, understood that trying to dismantle the existing system and replace it with an entirely new one would be not only a political nonstarter but hugely disruptive economically.
" 'What is it about sixty votes these folks don't understand?' I groused to my staff. 'Should I tell the thirty million people who can't get covered that they're going to have to wait another ten years because we can't get them a public option?' ... It also ignored the fact that all the great social welfare advances in American history, including Social Security and Medicare, had started off incomplete and had been built upon gradually, over time."
Cha
(298,268 posts)Mitt Romney is going to raise more money than Barack Obama. That should guarantee his victory," Moore told host Josh Zepps. "I think people should start to practice the words 'President Romney.' To assume that the other side are just a bunch of ignoramuses who are supported by people who believe that Adam and Eve rode on dinosaurs 6,000 years ago is to completely misjudge the opposition."
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/michael-moore-mitt-romney_n_1843824
And what did Moore do to help Hillary in 2016?
W_HAMILTON
(7,881 posts)Or one of the many raindrops responsible for the flood that took down Hillary? From that summer:
Cha
(298,268 posts)in 2016 when he predicted a TSF win.
betsuni
(25,872 posts)Talk about waiting until the last possible minute. Tell your audience for years that Democrats are terrible corrupt neoliberal corporatist monsters and then turn around at the last second and say, Oh you should vote for them. Of course it doesn't work. Your audience believed you about monsters because they trust you.
Cuthbert Allgood
(5,013 posts)He was saying Trump was horrible for a long time. Weren't you listening?
Cha
(298,268 posts)TY
betsuni
(25,872 posts)"And that's it."
Oopsie Daisy
(2,848 posts)I vomited a little bit in my mouth we when I heard that.
Cha
(298,268 posts)about our Beloved Former Pres Obama.
SoFlaBro
(2,048 posts)Cha
(298,268 posts)has been for a long time. he lied in Forida and siad Gore and bush were the same Tweedle Dum & Tweedle Dee.. same wtih Sarandon...
Pres. Obama won twice in spite of Vote Depressors like those two. Hoping Pres Biden can do it Too They did get Hillary knocked out.
LetMyPeopleVote
(146,175 posts)jalan48
(13,926 posts)Elessar Zappa
(14,162 posts)Hes no different than a Republican.
Cuthbert Allgood
(5,013 posts)He said we needed to make sure it didn't. Everyone said he was a loon. Then, after what he warned us about coming true, we are going to say he's the worst when he's trying to warn us again.
Here's a thought, maybe we listen to him and try to avoid what he's warning about this time.
brooklynite
(95,134 posts)His movies and TV shows always appealed to a niche market of liberal activists. I doubt the average voter has ever seen anything he produced.
Shermann
(7,517 posts)So no, they won't be in heavy rotation like Shawshank Redemption in the future. I don't think that is what he was going for.
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SocialDemocrat61
(725 posts)And he got the ACA passed, which is hardly nothing. Plus that super majority included Joe Lieberman, who would have never voted for an abortion bill, and Robert Byrd who had to be wheeled in from his deathbed to vote for the ACA.
LiberalFighter
(51,454 posts)Greybnk48
(10,184 posts)I'm sure he's made mistakes, and he's done some things I don't like, but he's always been a fighter for the common people. After his book, "Stupid White Men," he's had a lot of enemies. Some would say he stuck the shovel too close to the hole, i.e.,there was a LOT of truth to what he was saying and he pissed off those with unearned entitlements in the U.S.
He also was the first to document and mass market the dismantling of US manufacturing (Roger and Me); document and mass market what big Pharma was doing to the American people by price gouging (Sicko), and to document and mass market the war crimes of the Bush administration (Fahrenheit 911). I thank him for every one of these things.
Cha
(298,268 posts)what a fucking Racist POS thing to say.
Michael Moore: 'Obama will be remembered as the first black president, and that's it'
https://abc7.com/michael-moore-obama-first-black-president-roger-and-me/303494/
Oopsie Daisy
(2,848 posts)Cha
(298,268 posts)MM Thread right now.
Glad you kicked this thread!
Agree on all points!