Columbia University 1968 protesting the Vietnam War.

[surfered]

For a flashback, read the Strawberry Statement, a non-fiction book by James Simon Kunen, written when he was 19, which chronicled his experiences at Columbia University from 1966–1968, particularly the April 1968 protests and takeover of the office of the dean of Columbia by student protesters.[1]

It’s worth a read.

[BannonsLiver]

1. And then most of them grew up to be Reaganites

[whathehell]

2. NOT true..

As one of "them", I can attest to it, so please refrain from painting entire generations with a negative broad brush.

[BannonsLiver]

3. Lol all evidence to the contrary...

Rayguns didn’t run up that score just with folks who were pro war in the 60s, and you know it.

[whathehell]

7. You're "evidence" would be more compelling

if that election foreshadowed more than a one term Republican win by Poppy Bush, followed by two terms of Clinton, two of Dubya followed by two of Obama, then another One Term of Trump...Reagan was an anomaly.

[DBoon]

27. Carter won in those under 30

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_United_States_presidential_election

Age
Demographic subgroup Carter Reagan Anderson
18–21 years old 45 44 11 6
22–29 years old 44 44 10 17
30–44 years old 38 55 7 31
45–59 years old 39 55 6 23
60 and older 41 55 4 18

The big margin for Reagan was in the 30+ generation

Other groups that went for Carter were Black and Hispanic households and union member households.

The age split does not support the often stated and incorrect fact that young leftist turncoats put Reagan into office, or that even the Boomer generation as a whole did so.

[LeftInTX]

33. The majority of Vietnam protesters were in their early 30s in 1980.

[DBoon]

29. It can't seem to find a published survey that breaks down 1980 voter preference by prior position on the Vietnam War

Can you please provide this information?

A survey that asks "Did you protest against the Vietnam war" and "Who did you vote for president in 1980" and gives a crosstab?

You can't.Because your conclusion is based on nothing.

[In Too Deep]

19. "Most" is not the same as "All"

Most those students in 1968 would have been in their mid-30s by the mid-1980s.

In 1984, Reagan won the 30-49 demographic 58-42 over Mondale.

[whathehell]

22. No one can say "most" OR "all".

unless, of course, they can cite specific poll numbers on the votes Reagan received from former Vietnam War protesters.

[In Too Deep]

25. I can say most - and I did.

You're free to produce a counter-claim. So far you haven't.

[whathehell]

36. Lol..yes, anyone "can" say anything

The issue is something called "credibility" and it's gained through substantiation. If you fail to back up your claim, as you have thus far, it's just opinion, not fact, so it can hardly be "countered"...Maybe try again?

[agingdem]

4. BULLSHIT..most of us did not grow up to be Reaganites...

we grew up marching for reproductive rights/civil rights/voting rights/equal rights/gay rights

we grew up to be loud proud Democrats...got it??

[former9thward]

6. Where did Reagan get his votes from?

[whathehell]

8. ..Not from Ivy League anti-war protesters.

[former9thward]

9. Well, they weren't Ivy League anti-war protestors by the time 1980 rolled around.

They were in the 30-44 age group which voted for Reagan 55% to 38% in 1980.

https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/how-groups-voted-1980

[whathehell]

11. No, they were smart enough to graduate and

be part of the 38% who voted against Reagan.

[former9thward]

12. And you know how all of them voted.

Cool. You should hire yourself out to some political campaign.

[whathehell]

14. ...No, but you do?

You're the one claiming to know that "most of them" voted for Reagan.

[former9thward]

15. Maybe do a cut and paste where I said that.

But regardless you are smarter than me because you said none of them did.

[whathehell]

16. Lol..Maybe you defended the poster who did say it

and you can cut and paste where I said "none" of them did.

[former9thward]

17. Post #11

"No, they were smart enough to graduate and be part of the 38% who voted against Reagan."

[whathehell]

20. Again

Cut and paste where word "none" appears.

[Big Blue Marble]

23. Those that were referred as Hard Hats in the sixties.

The working class voters who had been former Democrats in the Rust Belt.

[DBoon]

31. Actually union members voted for Carter overall

[Big Blue Marble]

34. Maybe so.

But the the reason Reagan won is because the Democratic Party bled support
from disaffected New Deal Democrats. It was a tragic loss.

[DBoon]

28. White people over 30

Demographic breakdown of that election is well documented, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_United_States_presidential_election

[Ace Rothstein]

32. I'm sure some people flipped but it was probably a small percentage.

Keep in mind that it is and was just a fraction of the student age population protesting at most events. Back in 1970 less than 10% of the population had a college degree.

[PufPuf23]

10. That is a bull shit slur that is repeated too often.

Veteran of anti-war protests in high school in San Francisco and Berkeley.

Went to Cal when Reagan Governor and resigned from federal service when Reagan POTUS.

[whathehell]

13. It is exactly that..

I can't identify the bug that is up certain people's asses, but it does persist.

[Big Blue Marble]

24. That is simply not true.

We were the ones who fought Reagan and Bush. Many of us are still
fighting for human rights and civil liberties.

[former9thward]

5. The Columbia 1968 student strike Hamilton Hall take over.

[PufPuf23]

18. Does anyone know Nancy Skinner or does she read DU?

Perhaps Nancy Skinner could give DU advice?

Nancy Skinner (California politician)

Nancy Skinner (born August 12, 1954) is an American politician who is member of the California State Senate. A Democrat, she represents California's 9th State Senatorial district, encompassing parts of the East Bay.

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Skinner attended the University of California, Berkeley, earning a B.S. from the U.C. Berkeley College of Natural Resources and a Masters in Education from the U.C. Berkeley School of Education. As a student, she was a leader in the Anti-Apartheid Movement, served as the Academic Affairs Vice President of the ASUC, the student government, and was a founder of ASGE, the Union of Graduate Student Employees.[1] Skinner later taught courses in native California plants and interned at the Golden Gate National Recreation Area.[2]

Skinner was elected to the Berkeley City Council while still a student and served from 1984 to 1992. She remains the only student ever elected to the City Council.[1][3]

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In 2016, Skinner ran for the California State Senate to replace Senator Loni Hancock, who was termed-out of office in 2016. She was elected to office on November 8, 2016 and sworn in on December 5, 2016. In the 2017–2018 and 2019–2020 legislative sessions, she served as the Majority Whip of the state Senate.[8][9] In the 2019 legislative session, she chaired the state Senate's Public Safety committee.[9] In November 2020, Skinner won reelection to the Senate for another four-year term.[10]

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from wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Skinner_(California_politician)

Nancy Skinner was also the Executive Director of the Graduate Assembly at Cal (Graduate Assembly is the graduate student government, ASUC for under grads). Ms. Skinner is an extremely competent person.

Know this because I was a Graduate Assembly delegate from Haas B-School MBA program in 85-86 and 86-87 and on the finance committee these two years. Had a BS with highest honors from the School of Natural Resources from the 1970s and worked at USFS research lab then in Berkeley. My only contact ever with Ms. Skinner was GA and doubtful if she remembers me.

Those specific years were also (as per article below), were immediately following the Anti-Apartheid demonstrations and the beginnings of ASGE took place. There was an occupation of Sproul Hall (Cal's administration building) and grad TA strike (that I argued against and did not participate) while I was a GA delegate.

Free Palestine Encampment mirrors 1980s protests against South African apartheid

Kiana Sezawar Keshavarz; Apr 29, 2024; The Daily Californian

As UC Berkeley’s Free Palestine Encampment enters its second week, onlookers have begun to draw parallels between this protest and the 1985-86 campus demonstrations for divestment from South African apartheid.

On April 10, 1985, students staged a sit-in on the steps of Sproul Hall to protest South African apartheid and the university's investments in the South African state. The protest became an encampment that remained on the steps until nearly the end of the 1985 school year.

The current encampment, which was established after a rally for Gaza last week, has four main demands, as listed on a banner hung above the very same steps as the South African apartheid protest. Demands include an end to the silence regarding the genocide in Gaza, financial divestment, an academic boycott and an end to the repression of Palestinian students and their allies, according to the sign.

https://www.dailycal.org/news/campus/student-life/free-palestine-encampment-mirrors-1980s-protests-against-south-african-apartheid/article_1fac6bc6-0624-11ef-a0ea-87db70263af0.html

[LeftInTX]

21. How today's antiwar protests stack up against major student movements in history

But protesters also didn’t face much pushback in the ’80s because there was a “certain embarrassment among elites in the United States that there was complicity with South Africa’s white government,” Farber said.

“It was kind of pushing against an open door,” he said. “It wasn’t really a polarizing issue.”

That differs from today, when the war in Gaza has revealed a major generational divide and there doesn’t exist the same kind of consensus among Americans.

The divestment movement against the apartheid government — which started with universities and then was adopted by the US federal government — also arguably packed a bigger punch due to vulnerabilities in South Africa’s economy, including the fact that many of its goods could be substituted with products from elsewhere.

https://www.vox.com/politics/24141636/campus-protest-columbia-israel-kent-state-history

[PufPuf23]

26. Here are the first 4 paragraphs of article you posted. Cherry picking much?

Protests against the war in Gaza have spread to college campuses across the country in the days since students at Columbia University were arrested last week, evoking images of historical student protests that were met with similar backlash.

Recent protests have not yet reached the scale of the major student protests of the late 1960s against the Vietnam War or the 1980s against South African apartheid. But on campus, they may be “the largest student movement so far” of the 21st century, said Robert Cohen, a professor of social studies and history at New York University who has studied student activism. In recent decades, there were mass protests against the Iraq War, as part of the Occupy Wall Street movement, and after the killing of George Floyd, but they were primarily happening off campus.

Just like the protesters who came before them, the students who are now being arrested, and in some cases suspended, for setting up encampments on their campuses in solidarity with Palestinians in Gaza have been demonized by politicians. At Columbia University, some protesters were removed and arrested by police after taking over the same building that antiwar protesters once occupied in 1968. The university has said that students who participated may be expelled.

The vast majority are peaceful protesters who have been overshadowed by a minority of bad actors, some potentially not even affiliated with the universities where these demonstrations are taking place.

https://www.vox.com/politics/24141636/campus-protest-columbia-israel-kent-state-history

[LeftInTX]

30. They are different because anti-apartheid was pushing against an open door.

Anti-apartheid protests didn't have this scale. I don't remember riot police being called etc. They were mostly intellect and fact driven. The concept is similar but the anti-apartheid protests weren't a viral thing. They didn't make much of a dent on the evening news.

[PufPuf23]

37. "Recent protests have not yet reached the scale of the major student protests of the late 1960s against the Vietnam War

or the 1980s against South African apartheid."

From what you posted.

The difference is that South Africa was not turning segregated areas into rubble, killing thousands of innocents (save for place, race, crappy leaders, and not knowing anything else), and receiving billions of the dollars from the USA in aid and arms. Gaza is more like Vietnam because all see the violence daily on TV or internet.

[LeftInTX]

38. Well, you admit the protests are different!

https://geneva.usmission.gov/2013/12/17/pressure-to-end-apartheid-began-at-grass-roots-in-u-s/

Columbia occupied Hamilton Hall in April, 1985. Columbia divested from South Africa in October 1985.
Sanctions were passed against South Africa by the US govt in October 1986. The bill couldn't overcome a filibuster in October 1985.

If you think the US is gonna sanction Israel in 1.5 years I will eat my shoes. You know darn well the BDS movement and protests for Palestine have been going on for decades!!!

[PufPuf23]

39. Jewish Community Leaders Say Cal Poly Humboldt Protests are not Anti-Semitic.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218919954#post4

[betsuni]

35. Writer Laurie Colwin in her wonderful book "Home Cooking" describes her time as a Columbia student

involved in a takeover of a building (wore out my copy of the book and finally had to throw it away so I can't quote).

She got her assignment, Colwin: kitchen, and thought it pretty much summed up her life. She made a lot of sandwiches. Peanut butter, egg salad. Eggs and supplies were put in baskets and hauled up by ropes.

Today I saw a list from a UCLA student protest group (Palestine Liberation something) asking for donations and Colwin had it easy. Vegan and gluten free food, "Hot food for lunch!!! (IMPORTANT)," no packaged food, no bagels, no coffee, no bananas, no nuts, etc.