Eff you Joe Scum

[malaise]

Student protests are covered by the 1st amendment.
Avoid the destruction and violence kids.
Otherwise bravo and eff the MIC too.
Great to see young progressives waking up again. Enough of the neo-liberalism, fascism , racism, misogyny and slaughter in Gaza and elsewhere.

I can die now - we’re in good hands. This planet has moved way too far to the right.

Many of the ReTHUG hypocrites condemning you were fine with their failed coup. Some enabled it.

Wake up everybody- I remember singing this one way back when.

The world won’t get much better if we just let it be….

[PuraVidaDreamin]

1. Agreed

Once upon a time I was arrested for peace. Bu$h & cHeney era.
For tress-passing in my congressman's office. We weren't leaving
until we knew 'what the noble cause was' why we were decimating Iraq.
We brought lunch boxes full of snacks and sandwiches and lasted 8
hours before the police hauled us to jail.

Turns out we were right about that war.

That congressman hosted us in his office a few weeks later.

It's important when there are runaway actions that need to be re-assessed and corrected
to show peaceful solidarity-

But during Occupy- having the elites give you corralled areas where everyone can walk
by you and not give it another thought? Getting a permit for marches on a special day at
a special time so not to upset others regular routines? What good is a first amendment right when
your ignored by the elites who control the immoral actions, who can slip out of town with notice.

[Lonestarblue]

2. If today's Republicans had been around in 1763, they would have called the Boston Tea Partiers woke and arrested them.

After which, they would have executed them for treason against England! The members of the Boston Tea Party caused a lot of monetary damage by dumping tea in the harbor, but their actions got the attention of the government in England. Our country was literally founded on protests, and the Founders wisely protected protests with the First Amendment. Most of these protests were peaceful until the police and National Guard arrived with all the riot gear and guns they could carry. Yes, they have been some agitators, but shutting down the right to protest is wrong.

[JohnSJ]

3. Not if they are taking over buildings, vandalizing property, and illegal assembly. The chancellor of UCLA

made it clear this is beyond free speech and has become an illegal assembly.

Once violence has started between various groups involved, the line has been crossed.

The police and protesters are being very reserved in their use of force so far, and for those thinking this is helping the cause that is being protested,

At least three-quarters of Americans consider it to be always or usually acceptable to protest by create a petition (87%), call your representative (85%), hand out flyers (85%), chant or sing (82%), boycott products (80%), march for long distances (79%), or wear symbolic clothing or accessories (78%).

However,

Tactics that involve more direct or invasive action — including blocking traffic (12%), disrupting public events (21%), and occupying spaces or buildings (36%) — are less likely to be considered acceptable. Intentionally destructive actions — rioting (9%), defacing property (9%), and burning the American flag (17%) — are among the least accepted protest actions.

https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/47565-american-opinion-portest-tactics-acceptability

[Nixie]

19. Exactly! Joe was asking if the protestors were helping Biden in Wisconsin,

Michigan etc. who are they helping?? That's what the whole panel was asking, who are they helping? No one in Gaza is helped.

[spanone]

4. K&R

[Passages]

5. Teach your children well.

We did, I think.

Protesting on behalf of those who no longer have a voice.

Link to tweet

[JohnSJ]

7. Screams before silence

A documentary about the rape and sexual crimes committed by Hamas terrorists on and after the October 7 massacre has been published online to watch for free.

The film, entitled Screams Before Silence and featuring eye-witness testimonies from survivors, accounts from first responders, and interrogation footage of members of Hamas, provides considerable evidence for a campaign of systematic rape by the terror group during its devastating assault on southern Israel six months ago.

The documentary is fronted by former Meta COO Sheryl Sandberg who in the film returns to kibbutzim that were targeted on October 7 with former residents to hear in heart-wrenching detail what happened to them that morning.

Sandberg also travels to the site of the Nova music festival massacre, which is now scattered with hundreds of newly planted trees, Israeli flags, and the pictures of all those murdered.

https://www.thejc.com/news/israel/sheryl-sandberg-film-details-horrific-sexual-crimes-committed-by-hamas-on-october-7-gxmsu7bz

[Passages]

9. Oct 7th was a devastating event.

Tragic beyond words.

[JohnSJ]

11. The entire situation is devastating. Behind the scenes there is an active attempt for a cease fire and more to

make it permanent, and bring a two-state solution on the table.

I am not optimistic, but hope it is possible:

[Passages]

13. I hope so too.

[Beastly Boy]

16. And not a single college campus protest for those who no longr have a voice

That's a very sad lesson for our children.

[malaise]

17. You mean like the Palestinians dead or alive

In their own homeland.
Spare me please - Gaza- worse than apartheid now dealing with genocide.

[Beastly Boy]

28. No, I absolutely don't mean what you imagine me to mean.

I mean what I say: not a single campus protest against hamas unspeakable violence. Did I not make this pellucidly clear? I mean the Israelis in their SOVEREIGN homeland.

Not a single campus protest. Very much unlike the Palestinians, dead or alive, whether they were the perpetrators of heinous crimes against humanity or not. College campuses are full of war crime apologists.

And spare me the apartheid and genocide nonsense. It is insulting to the actual victims of apartheid and genocide.

[malaise]

30. I always worry more about actions than

Words

One side in this horrific mess has been the victim of a disproportionate response.

[Beastly Boy]

37. That does not reflect in your misuse of words to misrepresent actions.

And it certainly does not reflect in assigning the blame for the horrific mess where it belongs.

Does it ever occur to you that you are laser focused on the response, however disproportionate it may have been, and are completely neglecting to mention the original cause that prompted the response? The cause without which there would be no response, disproportionate or otherwise?

It appears that you worry more about reactions than actions.

I have a lot to say about the malicious and incompetent right wing government in Israel. But I will not say it in the furthering of biased one-sided or manipulative narratives.

[calilama]

36. Every Jew knows precisely what this is..its in our DNA

when anyone justifies Hamas' terror against Jews and the RAPE of JEWISH WOMEN as intifada, every Jew understands what's next...undermensch...the dehumanizing of Jews so that their murder and cleansing is justified and palatable...not hard to condemn Hamas and still understand Netanyahu is poisonous to Israel..its only hard if Zionism is the next blood libel following the thousand years effort to wipe out an entire people....

[Passages]

23. Imo, more supportive than the hostages own government.

April 24: Police use ‘skunk,’ water cannons to disperse Jerusalem rally for hostages

At least 4 arrested for disorderly conduct, protesters surround Ben Gvir’s car * PM: Antisemitism on US campuses ‘reminiscent of German universities in the 1930s’
By TOI STAFF
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-april-24-2024/

[Beastly Boy]

33. Does this have anything to do with complete absence of

support for Israeli victims of war crimes on American college campuses? How is police action against demands to release hostages held in Gaza tie into complete silence in response to Hamas war crimes in Israel?

Oh, just a deflection. Never mind.

[Passages]

38. I think you have missed the point.

[Beastly Boy]

40. I think you have.

And I don't think I am obligated to respond to the point you are deflecting towards. Not staying on subject does not create in me a sense of obligation.

[Passages]

41. Good.

Then we're done.

[Fullduplexxx]

6. Cool since i dont watch m.j. i missed all that garbage .. whatever it was

[DoBW]

8. works for me

good tune, good message, (good horn section too) ... have been thinking lately of N. Young's "Ohio", .. but that was born of a student murder. But these times, kids have dying by guns for years & years now, little kids! so yeah-- let's keep waking up

[markie]

10. on my playlist always

“Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot,
Nothing is going to get better. It's not.”
― The Lorax

[malaise]

12. Yes

Rec

[Kid Berwyn]

14. "The world won't get better."

That’s why we need you and all good people— to try our best.

[Magoo48]

15. Yes, yes, and yes.

I’m behind, and proud of, all peaceful protests. “Legal” or “illegal”. Direct action is not guided by legality; it is determined by a strong inner reaction to immorality and injustice. When has organized response ever been determined by the legal system, a structure designed by and for status quo authority? Obedience and inaction, perpetuated by “authority” laden restrictions and dictated by the “big fucking club” which we’ll never be asked to join, wishes to mandate control over everything. Fuck that!
Power to the People.

[malaise]

25. Illegal war crimes are apparently OK

but not protests
Sorry folks. Bravo young people everywhere

[elias7]

18. Unfortunately, their free speech is terrorizing a whole generation of American Jews

But this too can be ignored, just as the Palestinian role in the conflict is conveniently ignored. I'm glad you feel you can die now, that "we" are in good hands.

"WE don't want no two state, we want '48". I do not consider this progressive; it's sad we cannot find common ground.

https://youtube.com/shorts/gLUk8vVxCpQ?si=c1EO32cn6orUSmkr

[Mossfern]

20. rec'd

Thank you

[LeftInTX]

29. I got involved in a Jewish Democratic group to see how they were feeling about all this.

They feel betrayed and isolated.

[Nixie]

21. If you really listened to the whole lengthy show ,

they brought up Hamas and the harm they have done to the Palestinians. That's the part lots of folks conveniently skip over.

[Beastly Boy]

22. Trump's fascist ramblings are covered by the 1st mendment. Trespassing and vandalism are not.

[Goddessartist]

24. Thank you

and I haven't watched since the other day when he was sneering at the 'elite' kids who were 'wasting mommy and daddy's money' - basically projecting. Those who ignore and deride the youth for protesting genocide show who they really are.

[malaise]

27. Thank you

Rec

[Nixie]

26. And Joe was saying he doesn't want to see Trump president again because

the protestors marginalize voters over to his side. That's more than can be said for a lot of so-called Democrats and other preachy folks. So Joe should keep talking.

[LymphocyteLover]

32. Joe who?

[Nixie]

34. Morning Joe on MSNBC, Joe Scarborough

[LymphocyteLover]

42. ah thanks

[LymphocyteLover]

31. Who is Joe Scum?

[Nixie]

35. Trump saying, "we're not going to let the radical left morons

take over the country." Just heard on my local spectrum news.

So that answers the question: who are the protestors helping? Trump.

[randr]

39. The real story always goes unreported

The degrees of response between Jan 6 and current demonstrations is startling.